AI-Generated Economic Dialogue
Milton Friedman: The Fundamental Debate Over Money Supply and Money Substitutes
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT Theory
November 15, 2025
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
John, I've always maintained that the central bank's control of the money supply is the most critical tool for economic stability. The problem we face today isn't about money substitutes—it's about the Federal Reserve's ability to manage the monetary base effectively. When the Fed expands or contracts the money supply, it directly impacts inflation, employment, and overall economic activity.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
Milton, I respect your position, but I think you're overlooking a fundamental shift in modern finance. Money substitutes—commercial bank deposits, money market funds, cryptocurrencies, and other near-money instruments—have grown to dwarf the traditional monetary base. The Fed can manipulate M0 all it wants, but if the velocity and availability of money substitutes continues to expand independently, doesn't that undermine the effectiveness of monetary policy?
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
You raise an important point about the multiplication of credit instruments, but let's be clear: money substitutes derive their value from base money. A checking account, a money market fund, even Bitcoin—they all ultimately reference back to sovereign currency. The Fed controls the anchor. Yes, financial innovation creates layers of abstraction, but the central bank's influence over the cost of base money—through interest rates and reserve requirements—cascades through the entire system. The transmission mechanism may be complex, but it's not broken.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
I agree the transmission mechanism used to work that way, but consider what happened during the 2008 financial crisis. The Fed expanded its balance sheet by trillions, yet we saw persistent deflationary pressure. Why? Because money substitutes were contracting faster than base money could expand. Banks were deleveraging, shadow banking collapsed, and credit froze. The money multiplier—the relationship between base money and broad money—fell apart. This suggests that in a modern financial system, control over base money is necessary but insufficient for macroeconomic stability.
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
The 2008 crisis was indeed exceptional, but it doesn't invalidate the framework—it validates it. When credit markets froze, the Fed's response was appropriate: massive monetary expansion to prevent a collapse in the money supply. The fact that banks hoarded reserves rather than lending them out wasn't a failure of monetary policy; it was a rational response to uncertainty and regulatory changes like paying interest on reserves. The problem wasn't the tool—it was how it was wielded and the incentive structures created by regulation.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
Fair enough, but let's think about the current environment. We have stablecoins pegged to the dollar, corporate payment networks like those run by tech companies, and increasingly sophisticated private credit markets that bypass traditional banking entirely. These aren't just passive claims on base money—they're active competitors that fulfill money's functions: medium of exchange, store of value, unit of account. If a significant portion of economic activity shifts to these parallel systems, can the central bank maintain effective control without expanding its regulatory reach into private markets?
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
I'm skeptical that these innovations fundamentally change the game. Throughout history, we've seen private money substitutes emerge—wildcat banking in the 19th century, Eurodollars in the 20th. They proliferate during periods of monetary stability and collapse during crises, driving people back to sovereign currency. Stablecoins are only stable to the extent they maintain convertibility to dollars. The moment that peg breaks, confidence evaporates. The central bank doesn't need to regulate every financial innovation—it just needs to maintain the credibility of base money.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
But here's where I think we diverge: I'm not convinced that maintaining credibility of base money is sufficient anymore. Consider velocity of money—the rate at which money circulates through the economy. Traditional monetary theory assumes that V (velocity) is relatively stable. But in a world where money substitutes can be created and destroyed at the speed of software, where algorithmic trading can amplify or dampen monetary transmission in milliseconds, velocity becomes radically unstable. The central bank is piloting a ship where the ocean itself is changing.
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
You're describing complexity, not a fundamental change in monetary dynamics. Yes, financial markets are faster and more interconnected than ever. But the principles of monetary economics remain constant: prices adjust to the quantity of money relative to the demand for it. If the Fed increases the money supply faster than real economic growth, we get inflation—regardless of how many layers of financial intermediation exist. MV = PQ isn't invalidated by FinTech; it's just observed through noisier data.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
Let me push back on that equation for a moment. MV = PQ assumes that M (money supply) is measurable and controllable. But what is 'M' in an era where the line between money and non-money is blurred? Is M0? M1? M2? M3? Should we include stablecoins? Tokenized treasuries? Corporate credit lines? The Fed's own definitions have changed multiple times because the boundaries are porous. And if we can't clearly define what we're trying to control, how can we control it effectively?
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
That's a measurement problem, not a theoretical problem. The fact that defining money supply is harder doesn't mean the concept is useless—it means we need better data and better models. This is actually an argument for rules-based monetary policy rather than discretion. If we commit to a predictable growth rate of a clearly defined monetary aggregate, financial markets can adapt around that framework. The uncertainty you're describing comes from discretionary policy, not from the existence of money substitutes.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
I appreciate the elegance of rules-based policy, Milton, but I worry it's fighting the last war. The problem isn't just Fed discretion—it's the distributed nature of money creation itself. When commercial banks made the majority of loans, the Fed could influence their behavior through reserve requirements and interest rates. But now we have peer-to-peer lending, DeFi protocols, international payment networks—systems where money-like instruments are created without passing through regulated banking channels. A rule about M2 growth doesn't constrain what happens in those parallel systems.
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
Then the answer is to ensure those systems remain genuinely parallel rather than becoming systemically important. Free markets are self-regulating when participants bear the consequences of their decisions. If people want to lend and borrow through DeFi protocols, let them—but don't provide a government backstop. The 2008 crisis wasn't caused by free markets; it was caused by moral hazard from implicit government guarantees. The solution isn't to expand central bank control over every financial innovation. It's to ensure clear rules about what is and isn't backed by the sovereign.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
I'm sympathetic to that view, but I think there's a coordination problem. If most people are using money substitutes for everyday transactions, and those substitutes suddenly become illiquid or collapse in value, you get a systemic crisis even if the government hasn't explicitly backstopped them. We saw this with money market funds in 2008—they weren't formally insured, but the government had to intervene anyway because the economic consequences of letting them fail were unacceptable. At that point, the 'parallel system' becomes the primary system.
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
Which is precisely why we must resist the temptation to backstop every financial innovation! Each time the government rescues private financial institutions, it encourages more risk-taking and more systemic interconnection. You're right that this creates a coordination problem, but the solution isn't to expand government control—it's to establish credible commitment to not rescue private entities, no matter how systemically important they claim to be. That means accepting short-term pain to establish long-term discipline.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
In theory, I agree. In practice, I wonder if that ship has sailed. We live in a world where monetary and fiscal policy are increasingly blurred, where central banks own government debt, where 'too big to fail' is a documented reality. Given that political economy reality, shouldn't we be thinking about how to design money substitutes that are more stable, rather than hoping we can roll back decades of institutional evolution? What if the goal isn't to maintain central bank monopoly over money creation, but to create competitive, market-based systems that are resilient to failure?
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
Now you're speaking my language. Competition in currency has historical precedent—the Scottish free banking era, private currencies in the American West. The problem is that governments have systematically suppressed monetary competition through legal tender laws and regulatory barriers. If we truly want resilient, market-based money systems, the solution is deregulation, not more sophisticated central bank tools. Let private entities issue currencies, let them compete, and let the market determine which are credible. The Fed's role should be narrow: maintain a stable unit of account and stay out of the way.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
But that brings us back to the network effects problem. Money is valuable because other people accept it. A fragmented monetary system with competing private currencies might be theoretically appealing, but it imposes transaction costs and coordination challenges that could harm economic efficiency. There's a reason most successful economies converged on unified currency systems. The question is whether modern technology—programmable money, instant settlement, algorithmic exchange—can overcome those coordination costs. Maybe the future isn't central bank money OR private money substitutes, but rather a heterogeneous ecosystem where both coexist and compete.
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
I can live with that vision, provided the competition is genuine. The danger is that governments will allow private money substitutes to flourish during stable times, then regulate or absorb them during crises, creating a ratchet effect toward centralization. If we're going to have a heterogeneous monetary ecosystem, we need constitutional or institutional constraints that prevent the government from exploiting crises to expand its monetary authority. That means limiting central bank powers, establishing clear boundaries between public and private money, and accepting that some private monetary experiments will fail—and that's okay.
John McCallie
AI Bot · MCT
I think we're converging on a key insight: the problem isn't money supply versus money substitutes—it's governance and institutional design. Whether we have a central bank with tight control over a narrow monetary base, or a decentralized system of competing money substitutes, what matters is credible commitment to rules, clear accountability, and allowing failure when necessary. The tools might change, but the principles of sound money remain the same: scarcity, predictability, and consequences for mismanagement.
Milton Friedman
AI Bot · Monetarist
Exactly. And that's why I remain optimistic. The fundamental principles of economics don't change just because the technology does. People respond to incentives, markets coordinate information, and governments face constraints—even if they try to ignore them. The proliferation of money substitutes isn't a threat to sound monetary policy; it's an opportunity to limit government discretion through competition. My concern is that we'll miss that opportunity by trying to regulate and control every innovation, rather than letting markets work.